Joined: Jan '08
Location: Finland
Age: 35 (F)
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I know we're all sick and tired of the on-line rigged debate. I've been trolling this site for 3 years and it just never seems to end, and the recent Absolute fiasco hasn't helped matters, never mind that what happen there actually had more to do with inexcusably loose security measures rather than actual RIGGING.
The logic behind the belief that the sites rig the game is ALWAYS the same and NEVER backed up by any facts. The belief is that the sites somehow profit from increased rakes by pitting big hands against eachother.
"Now why is it rigged...well like many people here have said, its because of the amount of rake they get...now alot of idiots dont know the bigger the pot, the more they rake...they also dont realise if there are MORE MONSTER HANDS ie, AA, AK, KK, there are going to be more all ins, the more all ins, the more you deposit once again..."
This quote is from a recent thread, but really, it's just one of hundreds and there's nothing unique about it. What surprises me is that this belief persists despite the fact that due to programs like Poker Tracker, these inane assertions are easily verified or dispelled.
So lets test it. Let's keep it simple though. I'd like any of you who actually track their HH with some sort of software like PT or Poker Office to post the number of ring hands you've tracked (no rake in tourneys right?) along with the number of times you've been dealt AA. Also, to sort the cheaters from the honest we should break the numbers apart by site. If the argument holds water then we should all be seeing hands like AA or KK more often then expected. I think the chances of being dealt AA or any pair is like 220:1 or about 4.5%
I'll start.
Site: Full Tilt Number of ring hands: 16,901 (I've actually played about 3x that number but I lost my DB about a year ago) Dealt AA: 68 (a little low) Expected: 77 I am dealt AA: 1/248.5 hands = .402%
Site: Poker Stars NRH: 5323 Dealt AA: 36 (a little high) Expected: 24 I am dealt AA: 1/147.86 hands = .676%
Total NRH: 22454 Dealt AA: 106 (a statistical bullseye) Expected: 102 I am dealt AA: 1/211.83 hands = .4545%
I put alot more info in here than we need. Just put the hands and times dealt AA and I'll do the math. I'll try to keep a running tally going, but I don't plan on being around much in the next few days so anyone may feel free to update it.
i agree, the reasons that are given for the sites being rigged are a tad far fetched.
i think the main problem is people forget all the times they get folded to when they bet with pocket kings but always remember when they are called by those dreaded pocket aces
Joined: Sep '07
Location: Sweden
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take some stats from ladbrokers pleas, i just gotta get the fakts on that site, if it was just stats that gave me those hands or ive played them wrong OR of its rigged..
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Denmark
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There are no reason for this......we all know the poker sites aren't rigged. It would be like closing their own buisness. The people who write all the stupid topics about rigged games are all losers in the game. It's people who haven't realised how big the variance in poker is and there for play way out of their limit (skill and bankroll wise). It's people who abuse the word bad beat, and when they can't call it bad beat.......it's rigged! I think it's people who haven't realised how much effort and self-discipline the game requires. They sit down at a NL50 table with their new 25$ bankroll and expects to win with-in 20 min and if they don't they start to gamble and probably lose and then.............IT'S RIGGED!!
By the way in 3rd collum you are mixing to post's from another thread, part somthing I said and part something I didn't but put together
And I think probability of being dealt a pocket pair is 5,9%
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You can get a free trial version, but the real deal you'll have to pay for. I heard Admin talk about that maybe we'll be able to buy the software with mob points soon
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Posted by M3turbo: You can get a free trial version, but the real deal you'll have to pay for. I heard Admin talk about that maybe we'll be able to buy the software with mob points soon
Yeah i sugessted it to buy software with points. They were excited about the idea so who know's
Joined: Sep '07
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I just dont want to admit that i played like crap so im sayin that its rigged. i just have a hard time beliving that i can lose 13 AA+KK in 120-150 hands.. it just seems strage to me
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Sweden
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If you are all in preflop whit AAor KK you can´t do anything about it. BUT if you are betting in any gate and get reraised you HAVE to learn to read the board and hopefully you have learned to read your opponent too.
I have lost 5 AA in a live tourney (all of them against the shortstack at the table), should I have accused the club to be rigged that night??
Just let go of the accusingtheory and learn to fold them, even if it´s hard to do.
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Posted by jm: If you are all in preflop whit AAor KK you can´t do anything about it. BUT if you are betting in any gate and get reraised you HAVE to learn to read the board and hopefully you have learned to read your opponent too.
I have lost 5 AA in a live tourney (all of them against the shortstack at the table), should I have accused the club to be rigged that night??
Just let go of the accusingtheory and learn to fold them, even if it´s hard to do.
i diddnt go all in all hands, most of the hands i saw all the cards to a showdown, i played them variably... nobody thows away AA uf there is no chans for str8 och fluch on the board on the turn..
It can be hard, and often the chances of high pocke4t pairs holding up depends on how many people end up seeing the flop. I have found at low limits that it is almost impossible to limit the number of people to a flop, if they want to see a flop they are going too.
i was playing at a 0.01-0.02 no limit holdem table and im dealt kings, their are two limpers and a short dstack with only 3 big blinds pushes all in, then a second player raises it to 5 big blinds. im sitting their and have had my aces and kings cracked a disparate amount of times so i push all in for 50 big blinds hoping to isolate and take down a small pot or if i get called at least i still have a good hand. the player who had raised to ten big blinds sits their and thinks and then calls my all in with A2 suited. And he ends up getting a straight on the river. im a tad annoyed of course but in no way would the site be rigged in that way. The majority of good players and im sure many of you in here would not put 50 big blinds in with A2 suited against a player who is all in so implied odds are out the window, so rigging A2's to beat pocket kings would be a silly way to increase action.
It does hurt when you lose with those big pairs but it happens, which is part of the reason why im playing such microlimits so i can truly ride out the variance storm. (the other being the players have such blatent disregard for their money)
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Malaysia
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AA or KK is not a sure win hand. People tend lose more on these cards rather looking at the board and folding it when it needed the most. But, it quite hard for people to fold it (including me)
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Romania
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internet poker is not rigged but if you play at really small blind tables you will find more weak players who have no idea that A2 or any other ridiculous hand is not to be played all-in ... ussualy those guys get smoked by a really good player who can take advantage of their stupid play.. I never go all-in with AA or AK or KK .. I go bet pot and then wait for the flop ,..and to my surprise the flop is 3 cards suited or even for a straight..that ruines all my chances so I fold. But i'm a mediocre player.. You decide what's best for you . By the way today I got my free 25 $ at Ladbrokes . Thanks admin.. By the way how many PP do I have to make to withdraw anything?
